Nate Cloud is my hero !!
Thanks Wayne! I Hope you saw the Wilmington paper Fri, 4/16. Jim Peter's FAA spokesperson was quoted as saying "Delaware's concerns will be considered, but that the present route structure will be continued to be used, so people in Nothern Delaware will continue to see flights go in and out....that is the reality of the situation. there is no short term plan to change the route structure". My feeling is that this is pretty arrogant. I love it when executives say "that is "reality". What the hell does that mean? If somebody takes a gun out and shoots you, and then says, "sorry, the fact that you're dead is reality" that some sort of executive speak BS that's supposed to justify the action?

I still haven't received a good answer to the question: How can a business take over a community to maintain their profit? If you think I'm being dramatic, please visit me during the frequent conditions where plane's land one after another directly overhead at ~2000' (10-13 miles out) on 1-2 minute intervals for several days in a row, and let me know if you think those are livable conditions. I don't recall being asked if it's ok for them to steal our reasonably peaceful environment. Is it "reality" that they continue to get salaries at our expense?

There IS other technology and controller procedures available that would remediate the situation at equivalent safety risk to todays flight management methods, but it represents additional cost to the FAA/PHL/Airline Cartel; so they won't do it when they can just do whatever they can get away with to the community's environment for free. Peters says there is "no short term solution". It would be more accurate to say there is not short term solution that we are willing to implement because it will cost more of our money, and then our profits will be reduced". We've been subject to this worsening situation for years!

Nate Cloud
  The Gordon Administration is looking into suing the City of Philadelphia, the state of Pennsylvania, the airlines, the Philadelphia Airport and/or the
Federal Aviation Administration During a public meeting in Claymont on the proposed airport and runway expansions, Chief Administrative Officer Sherry Freebery said the for profit airport is benefiting people over the border, while harming Brandywine Hundred residents. . .

Freebery insists the county is not after a piece of the pie -- just some peace and quiet.
The F-A-A is currently gathering data on how the proposed airport expansion would impact northern Delaware residents. (ac ) & WDEL 1150AM � � � � Welcome!

Will the the meeting in Delco. be as productive?

Stephen Donato

FAA Public Meeting Claymont, DE
Thursday April 8th Delaware's House of Representatives passed resolution number 72 to address concerns regarding the PHL expansion plans and flight patterns over Northern Delaware. See brief summary below that led to today's actions. The FAA points planes and runways at people because current Federal Law says it can.

We need to toast the fine representation we all in enjoy in the U.S. Senate and House of Reps. By the way, the house vote that sent the bill back to Senate last year -207-211 --Only 2 votes would have been needed to stop the bill from going back to the Senate in October. So let's give a special thanks to Mr. Castle and Mr. Weldon for voting with their conscience. To read more about the FAA bill passing in the Senate see article below.

Snipped email was sent while FAA reauthoriaztion bill was stalled in Congress. During the stalemate (October 2003) the FAA announced Dual Modena routing --sending more PHL traffic over Northern Delaware South Eastern Pennsylvania.

The FAA bills enjoyed broad bipartisan support, clearing the House on a 418-8 vote and the Senate on a 94-0 vote in June. But the White House warned that Bush would veto the final legislation if it included provisions that would inappropriately prohihit the conversion of FAA facilities or functions from the federal government to the private sector." The time of the vote (June) was the same time I started barking and the Pater's voiced their concerns to Carper. I would say nothing is an accurate description of their actions. Read this blurb from an email that I sent to Jane Scott (former Biden Aid) September 2003:

For the record, I am a political junky:

In closing, I was watching C-SPAN a last year. Senator Biden was eulogizing Strom Thurman after he had passed away. We all know Thurman did not support civil rights for Americans --just ask Trent Lott. Senator Biden stated very emphatically, in his address, that his own purpose for getting into politics was to aid the fight for Civil Rights in America. I assume that he meant for all Americans (even people under flight paths). It seems to me the senator and the Delaware delegation should be lacing up the gloves, because currently, the status quo in Delaware is unacceptable.... I ask who defends my CIVIL RIGHTS and how do we legislate morality?

Stephen Donato

Email from Aviation Watch after Reauthoriaztion.

From: "Jack Saporito"
Date: Wed Nov 19, 2003 3:29 pm


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Date: November 20, 2003
Issue: Vol. 14, No. 24
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Date: November 20, 2003 -

Democratic Senate sources say they have rejected an 11th-hour push by national environmental groups to protest controversial environmental streamlining provisions in the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) reauthorization bill.

A key Senate source says a deal between Democrats and the White House is possible this week on the high-profile fight over privatizing the nation’s air traffic controllers. That issue is taking priority among senators and if an agreement is reached, the environmental changes will remain in the bill, the source says.

Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ) has been leading the charge against privatization, and following a Nov. 17 failed cloture
vote, Lautenberg -- along with Sens. Trent Lott (R-MI) and John Rockefeller (D-WV) -- sent a letter for White House approval Nov. 18 that would prevent the privatizing of any air traffic controllers for one year. If the White House signs the letter, the FAA reauthorization bill is likely to be approved this week, the source says. The deal is likely despite a new push from national environmental groups that tried to raise the profile of the streamlining provisions in the bill that they believe would gut the environmental review process, and make it difficult for the public to participate in decision making over plans to expand existing airports and build new ones. One environmentalist says similar anti-environmental measures are contained
in the federal highway reauthorization bill approved last week by the Senate environment committee (see related story).

A Lautenberg source says the senator is concerned about the environmental streamlining but that maintaining federal air traffic controllers is his priority. Environmental groups unsuccessfully approached other Democratic senators to try to draw attention to the streamlining issue, including Barbara Boxer (CA), Hillary Clinton (NY), Thomas Carper (DE) and Republican Peter Fitzgerald (IL), who opposes the expansion of Chicago’s O’Hare airport.

Specifically, the environmental groups opposed two sections of bill: section 47171(j), which gives the transportation secretary binding authority over the scope of airport projects, and section 47171(k), which limits the authority of other federal agencies in conducting environmental reviews. Relevant documents are available on “The role of the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, and the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers in the study and design of airport expansion could be dramatically curtailed,” the groups write.

“The U.S. EPA brings vital expertise to bear in the analysis of air pollution and public health impacts.” One environmentalist describes the FAA and highway reauthorization bills as “across-the-board assaults” on the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA). Among the most disturbing changes, the source says, is that the new bill would only require that the Department of Transportation seek the consultation of other agencies rather than the concurrence, which has been the general practice.

“They are eating into the statutory authority of EPA and other resource agencies, forcing the resource agency to run permit reviews concurrent with the NEPA review . . . and giving authority to the build agency,” the source says. In a related matter, a host of environmental and state air regulators are seeking to convince EPA to develop stricter nitrogen oxide (NOx) standards than contained in a proposal the agency released Sept. 30. The proposal would take effect Dec. 31 because aircraft engine makers are already complying with the rule, which mirrors the United Nations International Civil Aviation Organization standards.

At a public hearing Nov. 12, the Alliance of Residents Concerning O’Hare (AReCO) sought to convince EPA to move forward with regulations that are more stringent than the international standards rather than appease the airlines, which have been meeting those standards for nine years. Amy Royden, representing an association of state and local air regulators,
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  MidAtlantic will have a total of 24 new routes from Philadelphia by June.
We want to know how flights can keep being added to an airport that is chronically delayed? Contrary to the statement below we all understand how the airport operates. The problem with airport operations? The FAA and Philadelphia management. Just ask attorney Ron White. The FAA is the posterchild and represents everything that is wrong with big government. Next time, we will see that Mr. Bush has his way and breaks the FAA up into a privatized well behaved government agency that is accountable to the tax payers that fund it.

Stephen Donato

FAA comment from Delco Times: 3/28/04
However, federal officials say the meeting at the high school will help delineate what goes on at the airport. "We realize that people don’t have an understanding how the airport operates," FAA public affairs officer Arlene Salac said.

FAA comment from Delco times: 3/10/04
It's too early to forecast any increase in air traffic, either in raw numbers or percentage, that could result from the introduction of new service," said Jim Peters, a public relations spokesman for the FAA.
The FAA cannot determine the impact the new carriers will have on air traffic until it studies the adjustments other carriers make, Peters said. He also noted that there are no plans to change flight paths in the region.
"We will continue to use the same routes in and out of Philadelphia," he said.

MidAtlantic will have a total of 24 routes from Philadelphia by June.
  Delaware Governor's Race Will Be Won Or Lost In New Castle County
Mike Protack, an airline pilot, met with Brandywine Hundred residents in November 2003 to discuss the Philadelphia International Airport's (PHL) plan for expansion. Mr. Protack listened and understands our concerns. Most importantly, he did not say, "Well, we have to deal with C-5s from Dover." Until last week, Mike was the only political figure that didn't pass the buck. After some arm twisting and many phone calls, we finally have a meeting with the Governor's office and DELDOT to discuss the current PHL flight patterns. Our voices will be heard over the loud constant drone of planes from PHL. Make no mistake about it, this race will be won or lost in New Castle County.

Governor Minner with Tom Ridge. Are they talking about the PHL expansion meetings April 13, 14, and 15th ?

Stephen Donato

Delaware Governor's race will be won or lost in New Castle County
  Money is Power
PHL-CAW Response to - FAA's efforts fall short

Money is Power --Once the FAA is given an independent funding stream it will be accountable to no one. Mr. Poole must have graduated from the ENRON School of Economics.

Stephen Donato

Nathan Cloud wrote:

And so they will continue to employ the lowest cost procedures and processes in order to sustain profits which I believe is at he root of the single file low altitude landing approach method that is diminishing the quality of the citizens of NewCastle County, and others who happen to be under the "highway over our homes".

Unfortunately, the FAA has two big problems in applying such technologies. First, it has a terrible track record of designing and redesigning such systems, ballooning their costs and getting them in service many years late. And every time the federal deficit becomes a problem (such as now), the FAA's budget is cut, reducing modernization funds. The agency's new Air Traffic Organization (ATO) is supposed to run like a business. And it is off to a good start, headed by a well-respected former airline executive. But as long as it is hostage to the federal budget, this organization won't be able to modernize as a real business does. USATODAY 04/01/04

Money is Power - PHL-CAW Response to - FAA's efforts fall short

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Stop the Noise --
The word Noise, on the other hand, is derived from the Latin word, noxia, meaning injury or hurt. It is defined by the National Institute of Public Health as being "Any sound - independent of loudness - that may produce an undesired physiological or psychological effect in an individual and that may interfere with the social ends of an individual or group." | Effects of Noise on Children's Learning and Health -- Claire Matz

Editorial : No Change In Airnoise --
By FAA definition, we do not have a noise problem... Like other Federal agencies, the FAA is beyond control. Unless and until Mr Castle, Mr Carper, and Mr Biden get together enough support to withhold significant funds from the FAA, they will ignore us. | The Brandywine Community News, DE - April 7, 2003

Residents Ask FAA For More Information --
Gail Van Gilder, of Delaware Greenways, said the FAA already has their minds made up to approve the expansion. She said they need to answer questions from an air noise study conducted in December 2001.| The Brandywine Community News, DE - August 23, 2003

Editorial : Philly’s Airport ; Delaware County’s Problem--
It’s called Philadelphia International Airport, but, truth be told, Delaware County has greater claim to the name. | The Delaware County Times, PA - Mar 10, 2004

West Deptford residents raise noise over runway expansion --
Most homes would be impacted by the noise and air pollution. During the FAA reauthorization last year, Lautenberg and the NJ delegation...

Cheap Air Fares Land In Philly -
It's summer, it's humid and you have vacation days to spare. You're ready for a getaway but, unfortunately, your wallet isn't. Out of luck? ...| The Delaware County Times, PA - Mar 8, 2004

In Depth: Proposed changes at Philadelphia International may have a far-reaching impact on Delco. -
The study into the possible expansion of Philadelphia International Airport may still be in its formative stages, but that doesn’t prevent the controversy surrounding such an idea to continue to evolve. | The Delaware County Times, PA - Feb 23, 2004

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